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    Freedom From What Exactly?

    Naiwen Aug 15, 2013

    1. Naiwen

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      It's not really a rant. It's more of a debate about freedom? 1stly. What's freedom? & 2ndly, freedom from what? & then, what's gonna happen after freedom & freeing all the people?
       
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      Grungie Raging Alcoholic

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      Anarchy is the answer to everything, rebel against everything!
       
    3. Naiwen

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      So you think there's no freedom for the people like me?
       
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      There is no freedom, don't pay your taxes here in the state and it's off to jail.
       
    5. HAL WARD

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      It's getting a little harder to describe it here in the USA, we seem to have those that want to be rulers when in fact they are no more than employees.
       
    6. Naiwen

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      Yeah but, do you think you're "free"?
       
    7. HAL WARD

      HAL WARD Getting There

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      I'm free until I allow a Tyrant to take that away, ain't gonna happen.
       
    8. Demon_skeith

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      take what away exactly?

      I assume the voting but I somehow feel that's rigged.
       
    9. Naiwen

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      yep, exactly my question, Skeith.
       
    10. HAL WARD

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      If you guys don't already know what it is to be free then I feel sorry for you, it's not something we that are free feel the need to ask for a definition. Ours is based on our constitution and bill of rights, all things are covered and guaranteed to all Americans. It's non negotiable and even this crazy kenyan that calls himself an American does not have any special powers granted to him. Most of the things he has done have been illegal and not worth the paper they wrote it on. He works for the people of the United States, not us for him, and he hasn't fulfilled his duties nor upheld his oath, as a matter of fact he's lucky he hasn't been impeached already, but that may come later if they link him to the IRS scandals and even the Benghazi thing for illegally supplying guns and munitions, which is exactly what they were doing, they will be caught and held accountable and you can bet we the free people will demand they receive full punishment for the crimes. All these people that have been trying to cover for him and lie are complicit and will also be held accountable. You don't do the things this guy has done and get away with it, he and his minions have even tried to take away our 2nd amendment rights to own and bear firearms, it failed and it will continue to fail and if the day it does fail should come then the other alternatives will be used. We are not going to sit around and allow people like this to destroy over 230 years of our heritage just because they are socialist and don't like the way we live. If people haven't notice how quickly things change in the US his approval is down to 32 per cent, or we could say those that had free telephones still like him.
       
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      who wrote the laws? someone else than us, eh? so we'll never be free from laws, unless there aren't any.
       
    12. Pats CG

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      Escape somewhere and live off the land. Reliant on no one ...... :cloud9:
       
    13. HAL WARD

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      Our forefathers that fought for our freedom wrote a document that has given us everything we need, if you need anything outside this small document you are doing something wrong. Name me one civilization that had NO laws, laws keep people civilized, take that away and you have chaos like even now in Egypt. I don't report to anyone where I live outside of tax information, I'm sure there are many in our government who have taken it on themselves to track me but that too is getting ready to come to and end and soon. The original Magna Carta of 1215 is the origin of all documents pertaining to freedoms, even our own US constitution is based on that document. Societies that actually use and have laws are the ones that survive, the rest are doomed. Look at Africa, locked in perpetual stone aged lawlessness, because they have very little if any law.
       
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      exactly it. You're just proving my point. Humans are never gonna be able to live without laws, so a person is never free, no matter under what laws & order. No laws & order, no living in peace, only chaos. So it's a vicious cycle.